Thought-provoking conversations with remarkable people

Out of the Blue brings together leaders, thinkers and people with something worth saying to explore the ideas, experiences and unexpected moments that shape how we lead, work and live.

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Our Job Is to Be the
Lighthouse Keeper

David and Tony talk with Al Lukies CBE, business-builder and investor on growth as the only thing that gives you optionality.


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Your Hosts

David Craig, co-host of the Out of the Blue podcast

DAVID
CRAIG

Former Refinitiv CEO and author of The Bluebook, David has spent his career leading businesses through ambitious transformation and growth.

He brings a candid, practical perspective on leadership, change and what it really takes to turn big ideas into results.

Tony Craddock, co-host of Out of the Blue and founder of The Payments Association.

TONY
CRADDOCK

Founder of The Payments Association, Tony has spent decades connecting the people shaping financial services, from fintech founders to banks and regulators.

Curious, well-connected and never short of a question, he brings a front-row perspective on the ideas and people driving change.

Ideas from Bluebook

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Lead With Why

Transformation needs a purpose. Start with the “why”

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Align Strategy
with Capital

Strategy without aligned capital is just theory. 

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Make the Hard Calls Early

In integration, delay is costly.